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  HA! Take that Watchtower! One less Borg for you!!!!!

  by Gojira_101 in

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  last week a friend of mine contacted me out of the blue asking if we could have lunch together.

  my friend has been studing with the jw's on and off for about 11-12 years i think.

  she has told me everytime i see her that she can't wait for jehovah to end this evil world...she can't wait for the new system...the end is so close....etc.. i sent her a message back telling her that i left the jw's and asked her if she had heard that.

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  Black Sheep

  I am truly sorry to hear that happened to your brother, Newly Enlightened, but what happened is not relevent to the statement that was made.

  Just because an individual chooses to go beyond the WT's rules by shunning a non-believer who was never baptised, doesn't make their behaviour official bOrg policy and non-adherance a DFing offense. Any JW who knows how to defend their cult will know that, and use it against you.

  I've never been baptised and I've never been shunned. I have never been DF or DA, I'm not gay, I'm never seen in a KH except at funerals & weddings, and I don't ride a bicycle. Please show me an article that clearly demonstrates that my parents should be DFd for associating with me? That is what a JW defending their cult should ask you to do, especially if they are trying not to lose a potential convert.

  JW's permit themselves to lie and cheat in defense of the bOrg, but we have to be seen to be better than that. The bOrg portrays us as liars, they in turn, portray us as liars to their new recruits and they will use any mistake we make to polish their image and trash ours, so we have to be squeeky clean when we make statements. If you make ten correct assertions and one wrong one, which one will they want to talk about with their 'student'?
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  HA! Take that Watchtower! One less Borg for you!!!!!

  by Gojira_101 in

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  last week a friend of mine contacted me out of the blue asking if we could have lunch together.

  my friend has been studing with the jw's on and off for about 11-12 years i think.

  she has told me everytime i see her that she can't wait for jehovah to end this evil world...she can't wait for the new system...the end is so close....etc.. i sent her a message back telling her that i left the jw's and asked her if she had heard that.

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  Black Sheep

  Black Sheep: Gojira's Dad & I were JW's for 45+ yrs each, so believe me, we do kind of know what we're talking about. So if you haven't read Ray Franz's book Crisis of Conscience pgs 357-377 I highly recommend it.

  Hi, Newly Enlightened

  My parents were baptised members of this cult for over a decade before I was born in the early 50's, so I do kind of know what I am talking about.

  Yes, I have read my copy of COC.

  For having WT literature to back up what we say here it is:

  WT 1980 9/15 pg 25:

  That article does not back up the assertion that, "If you get baptized and your kids don't accept the "truth" and you continue to talk to them, you will be df'ed."

  Please demonstrate how you are going to defend the accusation from a JW that you are lying about it being inevitable that you will be DF'd for not shunning your non-believing children, when this article you quoted says nothing about getting expelled from the church for associating with your own children that never joined the church? That is not the only 'out' either, as you should well know, as there is no ruling to DF parent who refuse to shun their 'drifted' kids.

  If I am wrong, please provide the documentation.

  Thanks

  Chris
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  HA! Take that Watchtower! One less Borg for you!!!!!

  by Gojira_101 in

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  last week a friend of mine contacted me out of the blue asking if we could have lunch together.

  my friend has been studing with the jw's on and off for about 11-12 years i think.

  she has told me everytime i see her that she can't wait for jehovah to end this evil world...she can't wait for the new system...the end is so close....etc.. i sent her a message back telling her that i left the jw's and asked her if she had heard that.

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  Black Sheep

  If you get baptized and your kids don't accept the "truth" and you continue to talk to them, you will be df'ed." She then said again she will not shun her kids and every time she did I said but if you are baptized you will be df'ed. I think by about the 3rd or 4th time of me saying that she started to get it.

  I bet you can't find a single WT article to back up that statement with. If she confronts any JW who knows their stuff with that, they will use your statement to accuse you of being a liar ...... and she will have no way of proving that you are not. If I was you, I would study up what they really do teach about relationships with unbaptised family members and fix any errors before a JW gets a chance to use your words to trash your character.
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  What is the most damning watchtower publication?

  by zound in

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  i want to purchase a couple of vintage watchtower publications to help in my helping jw's break free.

  some of the older ones are expensive or hard to come by - i know you can buy them on cd's but i'd like to own one or two of the "classics of propaganda"- some of the ones that speak for themselves as to the ridiculousness of this religion.. of course any magazine i pick up today speaks to me of the ridiculousness, but you need something much more hardcore for the jw's.. any recommendations?.

  "children" has some pretty good quotes in it..

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  Black Sheep

  Early 1961 Asleep! articles.

  Whatever you choose, it is about how you get them to explain the problems in the articles, rather than how you explain the articles to them. Learn how to ask a question then shut up and let them try to talk their way out of their hole, only asking more questions when they try to scam you.

  Make them be dishonest with you, then make them explain their dishonesty.
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  I just feel alone

  by joe134cd in

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  i just feel isolated and tired of the situation i am in.

  no witness visits, and this just makes me even more spiritually lethargic..

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  Black Sheep

  I don't feel any need to hook up with local ex-JWs. My life is with NeverDubs and I like it that way.
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  Old literature

  by darklight in

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  how easy would it be for a "student" to get hold of expired literature thru jws trying to get you into the truth, under normal circumstances?.

  today i got hold of "the kingdom interlinear translation of the greek scriptures" just by asking,.

  i emailed a scanned copy via email requesting a real copy...they refused to open the scanned copy, but within days i got the real deal heh.. .

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  Black Sheep

  If they think you are a genuinely interested potential convert you might have them dump thousands of dollars worth of old litteratrash into your library.

  If they think you are an APOSTATE they will steal thousands of dollars worth of old litteratrash from your personal library and chuck it into recycling bins so that the words from under Jehovah's bushel can be turned into egg cartons.
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  Husband has joined me in being inactive.

  by Julia Orwell in

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  that's right, and it's great!

  i don't know exactly why because he hasn't turned apostate and still seems to believe jw things.

  i don't feel comfortable in asking him why he doesn't go to meetings anymore for some reason, or find out what he believes and if the things i've told him bout ttatt influenced his decision.

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  Black Sheep

  Call it his 'womb broom' and enjoy the attention
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  So tired of life

  by LouBelle in

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  i am so tired of waking up without hope.

  so tired of fighting one more day...i just want it to end as painless as possible.

  i truly don't have the willpower or strength anymore..

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  Black Sheep

  I'm a cyclist, not a trickcyclist, so I have been struggling to come up with advice for you, Louise, but something you said on another thread tickled one of my few remaining brain cells.

  Think about using a local church as a stepping stone. They have contacts, business people, etc.. They might love to have a JW survivor in their midst.

  You are a rather charming young lady, so smile sweetly and charm your way into their lives.
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  After the cult how many reject faith in anything?

  by Seraphim23 in

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  Black Sheep

  Thank you Mrs Jones,

  I had never heard of Apathiest before. If someone wants to fit me into a box, that will do without me objecting.

  Cheers

  Chris
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  Mouthy

  by still thinking in

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  i've been thinking about you.

  and i'm sending you lots of love across the universe.

  hope it reaches you soon.... .

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  Black Sheep

  BTW, Grace's birthday is on the 22nd